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Mrs Arbuthnot The Enormous(e)

I promised I'd post a photo of the fattest mouse I've ever kept. Well here she is:

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My hands measure about 4 inches across the fingers, to give you an idea of scale. This mouse must weigh about 4 oz (100 grams or so).
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  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    :x She`s a stunner Jon. Mini ratty maybe?!!!! 
  • JonJon Lemming
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    Thank you! I'll be sure and pass that on :D

    Benjamin, the buck, is more like a rat. He's normal size for a breeder mouse, but actively begs for food and attention) when we get our dinner in front of us. Last night, I glanced around and saw him, hands on the bars, just looking at me. He wanted to come out and urinate on my hands as usual.
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  • AnnBAnnB Mouse
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    Good grief, she certainly is quite a size!
  • NickyNicky Mouse
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    She's a big lass :)
  • JonJon Lemming
    edited October 2017 Posts: 147
    I have two or three in there that are "of the large persuasion". However, I read somewhere that pale and ginger coloured mice can sometimes be prone to obesity.

    But this? This isn't just obesity; this is Marks and Spencer's Venezuelan grain-fed corpulence, slathered with a Devonshire butter and Hawaiian chocolate sauce!
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  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    I take it these are show mice jon? Or rather, larger, selectively bred mice than you might find in a pet shop or rescue? The three `show` mice I had were nutty as fruit bats but had characters all of their own! Betsy and Lulu were nervous disposition while Lola my satin black was such a cheeky character. Beautiful mice all of them, but sadly never outlived their smaller friends. 
  • JonJon Lemming
    edited October 2017 Posts: 147
    Yeah, they're all breeder mice, rather than pet shop ones. I've lost one so far from the first batch I had, but that was disease rather than a shorter natural lifespan.

    Dusty is the eldest but she's Basil's daughter. Basil and Cheeselet (the mother) weren't from the same breeder as my main lot. They came from a chap who was breeding them himself from "show" mice he'd got. Basil, Cheeselet and Velcro all lasted about 20 months and all died within three weeks of each other. Dusty is very much on her way out now; I expect her to pop off any day. However, she has made it to two years so she's done OK.


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  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    That`s not too bad Jon. Given that mice have a short lifespan, I think it`s safe to say that many of them do live longer than they would in an uncaring environment. Too short for my liking. 
  • JonJon Lemming
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    What I'd really like would be a guinea pig or small dog-sized mouse (minus the inevitable droppings and urinating on things), which I could have in my lap in the evenings. So much warmth!!

    Oh and with less propensity to nibble things, especially fingers that have recently handled food!
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  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    Guinea pigs are a lovely pet, but I never got around to having any sadly but I love piggies! Nice size to handle, they are characters and make sweet noises. Females live together best as two boars can be volatile but sometimes an older boar will live best with a baby male. Even so, they can bully smaller, weaker pigs.

    They love their fresh veggies and good quality hay and not so many dry pellets, but they all form part of the diet I suppose. I think they possibly bridge the gape between rodents and rabbits! I would also suggest reading Peter Gurney`s webpages on piggy A to Z health and some of the books he published. The man knew a lot about piggies and also warned people about vets methods with guinea pigs. Many home remedies can be used but tooth issues really need to be seen by a specialist as piggies can be prone to dying under general anaesthesia apparently. So their teeth need good hay and checking. 
  • NickyNicky Mouse
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    We have two Guineas, Edward and Mrs Simpson.Edward is a neutered male. They are lovely but are poo machines lol, Hay is the main part of their diet and I give veg twice a day. They are so sweet natured.
  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    Good to know Nicky. I love the little warbling noises piggies make! I hear many people saying their guinea pigs won`t eat the hay they are given but is this down to the type/variety of hay? I imagine a good hard green hay is best for their teeth? There are various types of hay, I know, so I suppose it`s all about trying different hay to find the one they enjoy most? 
  • JonJon Lemming
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    I loved the sounds that GPs make. As pets though, I couldn't hack the constant mucking out and also the fact they always seem to smell. Much happier with small(er) furries.
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  • NickyNicky Mouse
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    Mine eat any hay they are given :D like rabbits it should make up about 80% of their main diet so its very impotent. We just give them completely new hay every morning as they tend to wee on it then make sure its topped up all day.
    The constant spot cleaning can be a pain lol but they really shouldn't smell at all.
  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    If I didn`t suffer from the pain I have I would have looked at some rescues but sadly, I can`t see that happening. 
  • KawaiiKawaii Lemming
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    I have piggies too - two boars, Lenny and Aladdin. Living a big 2x5 c&c  - they do love running around and are absolute little live wires, and fairly opinionated too. :) Have to love them though, despite being woken at 5am by them rumblestrutting at times. 

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  • JonJon Lemming
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    Shall we start a separate thread about guineas?
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  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    How is the lovely Mrs Arbuthnot Jon? Sorry your post went astray! 
  • JonJon Lemming
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    Oh no not to worry. Was a genuine suggestion. GPs need love too!
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  • SarahnashSarahnash Lemming
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    I used to have a little girl like that. She weighed 88gms. Her name was Kelly and we called her Little-big-big-little
    Kells. She enjoyed her food. Sadly she was pts after a she had a stroke but she was a lovely chinchilla-coloured old lady. Does your Mrs A eat a lot? I've heard certain mice have the 'fat' gene which also gives them their colouration. So maybe it's all in her genes? Kells used to tell me 'it's mostly fur' :)
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  • SarahnashSarahnash Lemming
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    Ah I've just re-read the thread and can see you have knowledge of the 'fair and the fat'.
    Mum to rattie boys Charlie and Bosley.
    Never forgotten fancy girl mice Jill, Kate, Eve, Sabrina, Dylan, Kris, Abby, Kelly, Tiffany, Natalie, Alex, wild mice Harry Houdini and Little Wills
  • JonJon Lemming
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    I've reduced the rations in that cage by some margin now as several of them, including darker coloured ones, are getting to be a bit hefty!
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  • JonJon Lemming
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    Alas, Mrs Arbuthnot had to be put down last night. She had developed a tumour on her hind leg or mammary gland and it got too big for her to cope so had to be done.
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  • AnnBAnnB Mouse
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    Sad news, Jon. I'm sorry to hear that.
  • SarahnashSarahnash Lemming
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    So sorry to hear the sad news. Those tumours come up so quickly in our eyes, such a shame.
    Mum to rattie boys Charlie and Bosley.
    Never forgotten fancy girl mice Jill, Kate, Eve, Sabrina, Dylan, Kris, Abby, Kelly, Tiffany, Natalie, Alex, wild mice Harry Houdini and Little Wills
  • JonJon Lemming
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    Thanks folks; it was a pity but she simply couldn't go on like that.

    I can recall asking a vet if cancers like that were painful to mice and he said he didn't think so. I'm not sure why but he must have read some papers on it I guess.

    In Mrs A's case, it was just getting to the point where her leg was starting to have trouble moving normally, so I decided to act before it became too unwieldy for her.
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  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    Gutted for you Jon.  :(  We owe so much to these fabulous little creatures because the cancers they are exposed to were possibly originally bred into them in labs and then the mouse fancy club was begun many years ago, as far back as Victorian times. But tumours are such a blight on their short lives it just doesn`t seem fair that science using mice for the future development of cures for such things takes their lives from us.

    Mrs Arbuthnot was a big, beautiful lady and will be missed by all. x 
  • JonJon Lemming
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    Yeah, I struggle a bit with the use of lab animals. They seem particularly vulnerable to the "oh well, they're only [fill in name of species]". Is that actually how mice and rats came to be prone to cancer, or were they selected for testing because they had genetic similarities to us which work in drug trials?

    I'm an odd mixture in regard to all this. I know darn well I'd be grateful of the advances of science if I had any form of cancer, but I hate the way some people treat animals. The more I learn about mice, the more I realise that they know more than people give them credit for.

    We (the human race) seem so good at creating double-edged swords don't we?
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  • racingmouseracingmouse Mouse
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    How many mice do you have now Jon? Most mice in labs these days are selectively bred for such drug experiments and trials, yes. Barrier maintained so as they are free from any bacteria or viruses. So in theory, these will then be pathogen free until used in selective trials etc for new medicines/treatments etc...and possibly worse, but we can`t discuss that on a family forum. 

    The human race seeks to find cures and all sorts and we will never know the extend of that due to cover up`s and government restricting transparency. 
  • KawaiiKawaii Lemming
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    Sorry to hear this Jon. Run free Mrs Arbuthnot <3 

    If it's any consolation to anyone the use of lab animals is very strictly regulated nowadays (I got a tour of one of the Medical Research Council's facilities earlier this month; it was fascinating from a science perspective, horrific from an animal rights perspective). 

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